Welshman Ncube Contradicts Chamisa, Says CCC Is MDC Alliance Rebranded
1 year agoThu, 14 Dec 2023 07:30:13 GMT
Former MDC Alliance vice president Welshman Ncube on Wednesday claimed that he has been sidelined by Citizens Coalition for Change (CCC) leader Nelson Chamisa and as a result, he has no platform to condemn the recall of the party’s representatives in Parliament and councils by Sengezo Tshabangu.
Tshabangu is a former MDC-T provincial chairman, PDP activist, and now the self-proclaimed CCC interim secretary general.
Since October 2023, Tshabangu has recalled over two dozen MPs and senators and over 60 councillors, claiming they ceased being members of the party.
CCC activists loyal to Chamisa have been demanding that Ncube and Tendai Biti, who were both vice presidents in the MDC Alliance before the party was abandoned to form the CCC in January 2022, should speak out and condemn Tshabangu.
Ncube and Biti have been absent from the party’s major political gatherings in the run-up to the elections and after the elections.
When CCC supporter Chris Chidarikire confronted Ncube on X over why he hadn’t attended the party’s structure called the Citizens National Assembly (CNA), Ncube said: “Am I a member of CNA? If so, how did I become a member?”
When Chidarikire rephrased his question to ask if Ncube was “in the leadership” of the CCC, he appeared to suggest that he should be, but he was not because the party had unconstitutionally abandoned its structure. Ncube said:
As of January 22, 2022, I was vice president of MDC Alliance which on that date by resolution of its National Council resolved to reconstitute itself as CCC and participate in the March 2022 by-elections under that name. At that meeting, the National Council didn’t resolve to dissolve itself.
When challenged to condemn Tshabangu, Ncube said he doesn’t have the mandate to do so as he is no longer in leadership structures. He said:
When Thokozani Khupe and Douglas Mwonzora started recalling MDC Alliance MPs and councillors did I not, in my capacity as vice president of MDC Alliance come out guns blazing right up to the end?… In what capacity do you want me to insert myself now?
Critics argue Chamisa collapsed the structures he had in the MDC Alliance to concentrate power on himself resulting in a fallout with some of the founders of the party among them Ncube and Biti.
Chamisa insists CCC has no links whatsoever with the MDC Alliance, saying it’s a new political party altogether.
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Anonymous · 1 year ago
I fail to understand why the CCC could not come up with structures and a constitution.. I used to yhink that lawyers are clever people. .
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mampentsha · 1 year ago
it's all Chamisa's fault. he has refused to structure the party and refused it a constitution n the first place. why he has dodo everybody is wondering. kuti haasi our mutngesi here munhu uyu? how do you win an election with no structure? Chamisa ha deliberately weakened his party kuti itadze kuwhina against zanu PF.
Anonymous · 1 year ago
What do you expect from Welshman Ncube? Did he not rebel from Tsvangirai? What has changed?
Zim-Sketch · 1 year ago
Ncube and Biti will always betray the movement, they once betray Tsvangirai. why trusting them now, they should go back to their dead parties....
XXX · 1 year ago
Instead of waisting time on what Advocate Nelson Chamisa is saying and what Sengezo Tshabangu's "bother" is saying, let us go to the citizens and interogate them and hear what they are saying. Was MDC ALLIANCE rebranded or it was dumped and a new political party in the form of CCC was formed. It is now open that Tshabangu and his "brother" are behind the recalls. My advice to Advocate Nelson Chamisa and his associates is they must leave CCC with Tshabangu and his "brother" !!!!! Chamisa must form another political party with proper Constitution and executive after going through the process of the Congress.
[ NYIKA INOTONGWA NEMBAVHA DZAYO ]
EHE ICHO !!!!!
Anonymous · 1 year ago
We will destroy everything **** try, even against ZANU until they stop their tribalism and imposition of **** in our region. You will never win in this war. Be warned!!
Mukadota · 1 year ago
Ncube has nothing to lose. Chamisa has everything to lose
Hara-Kiri mastermind · 1 year ago
@Mukadota, shut up you hangman !!
Anonymous · 1 year ago
These guys pay bhora musango when we are about be ve free.
Anonymous · 1 year ago
Welshman, Biti, Elton, Mutambara were paid by zanu pf to destroy Tsvangirai. Now the team is back again. Sorry for forgot Thokozanu.
Karl marx · 1 year ago
this article is divisive, malicious click bait and simply incorrect. how did ncube contradict chamisa?..
Tateguru · 1 year ago
Ncube was the one who caused the first split in MD, leading to MDC-Tsvangirai, leaving Ncube leading MD proper.
😇 · 1 year ago
.... and where did he end up?
What happened to MDC-N? Morphed into MDC-Mutambara and collapsed. Same with PDP, and all the other splinters leaving Chamisa standing. Even Khupe and Nzondora where are they today?
mampentsha · 1 year ago
Nzonyora is still at harvest house trying to sell it! it has no takers🤣🤣🤣
· 1 year ago
He should just give it back to Chamisa.
mampentsha · 1 year ago
you are a liar. go backwards in history and you will learn that the first MDC split was caused by tsvangirai' s failure to abide by the MDC constitution over the issue of participation in the first Senate elections.
@mampentsha · 1 year ago
The first split was choreographed by Welsh Ncube. period.
The subject is another matter
Anonymous · 1 year ago
@Tateguru
Its Tswangirayi's defiance of the MDC NEC majority in favor of participating in the Senate elections that led to the 2005 split you ignorant Hutushona fooool. Not Ncube.
WHERE were you in 2005. Where did you go to school.
Gilbert P Gurunhe · 1 year ago
even mukati chamisa chamisa zvogoshandei ko hanzi chara chimwe hachitswanyi inda ungaita hako mukuru but as long ungori 1 hakuna chaunoita makabvira riniko muchingoti hazvikoni
· 1 year ago
Chamisa has 2.4 million people behind him
Haasi one finger.
KHUMALO · 1 year ago
Ndebeles are also part of this CCC and they must feel that they are part of it. Why are you chasing them away. They don't have any one representing them at the top. in Bulawayo you atre sidelining them for shona guys. that is where the problem is.
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check · 1 year ago
chasing Ndebeles not it my bro. Ostallos Siziba isn't he a Ndebele but he is up there
mampentsha · 1 year ago
I do not like the tone this discussion is now taking. this is no time for tribes but a struggle for the survival of Zimbabwe as a nation states. if there be differences between ncube, biti, chamisa and company, all must show maturity and sort/ wash their dirty linen away from the CCC voting public. divisions at this juncture will set the struggle 20 yrs back.
Anonymous · 1 year ago
@Mampentsha
Inkosi u Lobhengula ingenaphi kundaba ze CCC?
Accept ukuthi **** are tribalistic in Zim. It doesn't matter they are in MDC, CCC or ZANU. That is why no one will ever remove ZANU.
Did they apologies fir calling KHUPHE a dhizidhendi and wanting to burn her in a hut in Buhera?
They must all VOOETSEK!!
Zuze · 1 year ago
But @mampentsha, it was a tribal thing when Tshabangu started this thing. His very first statement when he recalled that first batch was that Chamisa handpicked people for Matebeleland who did not belong to the region!
He tried to cosmetically touch that up with sidelining veterans of democratic struggle and choosing young affiliates and concubines.
mampentsha · 1 year ago
what is clear as of now @zuze is that there are issues amongst biti, ncube and chamisa. and those need be worked out by the three gentlemen. but to say the other 2 gentlemen are part of the Tshabangu scheme is too presumptive. yes Tshabangu did raise tribal issues in his first batch of recalls, but was that a general feeling of all people from matebelelands? my own take(without evidence) of course is that Tshabangu is a puppet under the direction of zanu PF. that zanu PF is banking rolling his legal and other bills. that zanu PF has taken advantage of issues within the CCC to ruthlessly advance it's 2/3 majority in partly. and
Bvu Bvu Bvumbururu yeNdege · 1 year ago
✈✈🍌🍌 Munoziva here kuti vanhu vanonyatso ita seeeeeex inonaka havambofe vakaomesa hupenyu vevamwe vanhu. Those people will be in a good mood and they will make good decisions.
🌽🌽🍯🍯🍑🍑 Mukadziiiiii anonyatsoooo BANHIWA naro zidhadhadhaaaaaaa rinonyatsooooo kwezvaaaa kweeezvaaaaa, anoswera achinyemwereraaaaa nekusekereraaaaa nekuti mwiri wake unenge UCHIPEMBERA NEZVAKAITWAAAA NEZIGURIIIII GURU RABABA VEMBA🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🍯🍯🍯.
I hope kuti ma politicians are in seeeeexually satisfying marriages.
#RESPECT!!!
naume lamboos · 1 year ago
khupe uchiri mutripple c here
· 1 year ago
Yes, and still a Senator for CCC
Bogus · 1 year ago
chavangu now to recall iye chamisa oooooooh mirai muone kkkkkkkkj dhiiiiii zvangu nemanhede
@bogus · 1 year ago
recall him from where you bogus for real
gaucho of pampas · 1 year ago
it's 2005 all over again ncube sold out then he is at it again the name smacks of failure mthuli et al you are failures
KHUMALO · 1 year ago
But why is Chamisa sidelining a****.
kHUMALO · 1 year ago
AMANDEBELE. admin why are you deleting
Ndini · 1 year ago
Chamisa should just leave these Dull people we are going with you it's Chamisa we want not CCC
,,,,,dott · 1 year ago
chamisa ndoakakonzera maproblems ese aya ,nekuda kuita zano ndega zvinhu waparadza musangano ,Zanu wili rule kusvika madhongi amera nyanga
ECD A · 1 year ago
.....and you will suffer kusvika nyanga idzodzo dzamera mvere
Zuze · 1 year ago
Blaming the victim will get you nowhere.
How did Tshabangu and handlers perform in the by-elections? If that's not a wake up call nothing else will.
Chamisa, hate him or like him, he has the crowds. Without Chamisa, Tshabangu, Ncube & company are destined for the dung heap.
Sam · 1 year ago
But he should not abuse that. it is us a**** also we vote for him. He should not take us for granted. we want to see the likes of Welshman and Thabitha and Makhuphe on the top leadership'
Anonymous · 1 year ago
@Zuze
Having the crowds doesn't mean the truth shouldn't be said. Voters cannot be a barometer of facts. Many a times they are driven by emotions. What Chamisa has been doing is called the arrogance of numbers. It's exactly the same attitudes of Shona people towards Matebeleland issues. They too are based on the arrogance of Tribal numbers.
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@Sam · 1 year ago
From your eminently Tribal tone, you seem more interested in tribal representation rather than other criteria.
If its tribal imbalance that you have issues with, why destroy CCC? Why not form your own tribally balanced party or better still join Mthwakhazi?
Anonymous · 1 year ago
Lina why are you only and always focused on Shona leadership, not only in Politics but in just about everything in Zimbabwe, if you are not obsessed with tribal Shona leadership?
Representation is Central in a racist or tribalistic society. Why do you seek Matebeleland votes if they are not important??!
mandrose · 1 year ago
Asi iye Chamisa wacho havanawo zvokuita hre pana Tshabangu or else party yacho haitori yake
· 1 year ago
Don't be silly.
Then why use his face on the party emblem if he isn't the party?
Anonymous · 1 year ago
Party yema street kids, ma para, ma skoteni iyi iproject ye Zanu regai iripo tirambe tichitonga. Kukauya ma learned professors tingakundwe. Zanu pamberi ne campain ccc muchatanga 2030 kuita campain isu tichingi campina chete. Tozokohwa moti Tshabangu i Zanu. Mastands, minda, title deeds tirikupa. Imi isai bullet train yenyu tione muvake OR Tambo Airport kwa Bhora, mupe vanhu magrants, muvhoterwe.
Aha.. · 1 year ago
Saka ndokuri kubva simba raTshabangu.
mampentsha · 1 year ago
I think you are a very silly person how and why do you generalise so? such presumptive and malicious statements have in the past history of our struggle led to so much unnecessary blood she'd. munhu aingonzi ' mutehgesi' pasina humbowo wotofira izvozvo. grow up
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Aha · 1 year ago
I may be silly.
Prove me wrong.
Zuze · 1 year ago
@mampenthsa, what @Aha said was not a generalisation, but a well founded conclusion.
You may care to recall at the start of this debacle that Tshabangu tried to remove Chamisa from the CCC presidency but had to do a volta face after Biti turned him Douglas for the Co-Presidency of CCC? Ncube, the other nominee the co-presidency remained mum.
That. together with the current statement from Ncube tallies with Tshabangu presenting a doctored MDC Constitution as a CCC constitution. It all adds up to a very plausible, credible and reasonable conclusion that Ncube could be the power behind Tshabangu.
That isn't a generalisation, but a well founded conclusion. Are you in any way involved as your response tended to be emotional rather than discursive?
Anonymous · 1 year ago
@Zuze
Lalela la mfondini. Assuming what you are saying is true. Welshman Ncube statements prove beyond reasonable doubt to any intelligent and reasonable person that the problem in this whole fiasco is Chamisa. The Genesis of Tshabangu's interventions is Chamisa. Welshman just produced a documented MDC-Alliance Resolution that stated the party was reconstituted as CCC. That is totally different from Chamisa's claims that CCC was a completely new party formed in 2022, with no ties to the MDC-A. Bantu bakithi, let's base our arguments on facts and stop conspiracy theories. Let's stop hero worshipping people and supporting them whatever nonsense they do. The core problem in the CCC has been outed. It is Chamisa. Not Welshman Ncube, or Sengezo TSHABANGU. Chamisa must stop with his imposition. Otherwise you are just voting in ZANU by another name. Look, he hasn't even condemned the Zim daily cartoon abusing and insulting our King Lobhengula. Typical Shona. Typical ZANU!!!
