Anonymous

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IN ZIM ARE TRIBALISTS WHO BELIEVE THE NDEBELE ARE A TRIBE, NOT A NATION.

IT IS THIS INSISTENCE ON THE NDEBELE AS A TRIBE WHICH MAKES PEOPLE TO ASSOCIATE THE M WITH, KWAZULU NATAL. AND THIS IS FALSE AND MISLEADING.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS SOUTHERN AFRICAN LANGUAGES WILL KNOW THAT THE NDEBELE LANGUAGE BORROWS A LOT FROM ISIXHOSA, ISISWATI, SEPEDI,  SHANGAAN, SOTHO, VENDA, SETSWANA AND KALANGA. THOUGH ITS AT THE CORE IT IS BASED ON ISIZULU.

THIS VARIETY OF LANGUAGES REFLECTS THE NATION STATUS OF ITS PEOPLE, NOT TRIBE. THAT IS WHY NJELELE IS A PART OF THEM.

THOSE WHO KEEP SAYING ITS NOT NDEBELE SAY SO, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NDEBELE IS A TRIBE FROM ZULU LAND. THIS IS FALSE. NDEBELE IS NOT A TRIBE. 

IGWEEEE 

Saka akazodii Timothy wemaRituals uyo, aimbovepi ongonyuka nhasi kkkk ndiana Tshabangu ndiyo team yacho

xperts estimate that many of the Khoisan paintings in the Matobo Hills could be anywhere between 2,000 and 6,000 years old. the matobo is for khoisan not shona or ndebele !!

peacemore 

The original inhabitants of this land are the Khoisan; the rest migrated from north and south. Therefore, it means that saying the Shona have Matobo as their shrine before the Ndebele is inaccurate. There is a reason this has not been done for so long. Performing this action risks further humiliating and alienating a people who have seen and been through enough atrocities. They still face an uphill battle as they are in an area with high unemployment and the effects of the drought are even worse. A real king should work to unite his people for the prosperity of the nation and not alienate them. This will, in turn, cause problems for the nation. what is even worse is we have some people here on this comments who say ndebeles are from south africa but they like the backs of chinese who abuse their own in bindura !its nonesense !! some of you are animals and hypocrites 

It’s ok soon the Chinese will come and do their rituals there , since we seem to be abusing the defenseless and weak !

@Freedom
Please stop your nonsensical ignorance. For starters, history has no Sshona people. Such people never existed. There were Karanga, Kalanga, Shangaan/Tsonga people, who are most closely associated with Matopos, Zimbabwe Ruins and Mapungubwe.

In Venda South Africa, there is Njelele there. It's not Ndebele or Shona. It's a Venda word. Stop stealing Venda culture, calling it Shona. There is no such a thing as Njerere.

The Ndebele are a Nation, not a tribe. This is how Njelele became a part of them since the Ndebele Nation incorporated different tribes from way back present day South Africa. We as a result adopted each other's cultures and languages.

That is why in Ndebele we use words like Thabani, from Sepedi or Sotho. The Zulu equivalent is Jabulani. We also use the Venda word Swina, or Maswina, which means enemy in Venda. Just a few examples. 

Freedom

MATOPOS Actually means Matombo(the original Shona name)Njelele is Njerere a name of a bird in Shona.The Shona people used that shrine for over a thousand years and the Ndebele for about 100 years when they took it by force from the rightful and true owners

Antman

Well we all know Zim history is kak also tbe world won't revolt around history, we have Globalization and change in innovation, culture and change in a lot of things do chill guys and stop thinking about yesterday whst matters in now and tomorrow 

🏃‍♀️ Chi baby Che Zanu 🌊 

Whoever claims that Njelele is a Ndebele shrine is 💯 times mad. Growing up we used to call it Ku 'Zame'. My grandfather vaitakura matare emutoro. Vaitoen**** vachinotaura nedombo vachidzoka ne message. After having performed rituals mvura yainaya ipapo. To now have someone personalizing the shrine is pure madness. Did the carry it from South Africa? Who used to perform rituals at the shrine prior to their arrival? Anonzwa kuda kuenda ku Njelele ngaende.If its sacred enough, then let the spirits deal with would be offenders

Corruptmore Looto 

These groups didn't really see themselves as one in the pre-colonial era too, sometimes they would collaborate and sometimes attack each other. Plus kudhara kumaEarly 1900s yanga itori nyaya hombe lets say kuti muZezeru aroora muKaranga, the two families would very much oppose that marriage but now times have changed so people think that the so called Shona groups always saw themselves as one but that wasn't the case. Of course its now better to not practice ethnism but history should not be manipulated 

Shona isn't really a Shona word 🤣🤣

The term Shona itself is however, an anachronism, it did not exist until the 19th century when it was coined by enemies as an insult; it conflates linguistic, cultural and political attributes of ethnically related people. Haa takanyaya mafia takushandisa an insult word as our own 😂😂. These are real ethnic groups Manyika, Karanga, Zezeru, Korekore and Ndau, kwete zvenyu zveku Adopt a word meant to be an insult directed at our forefathers by their enemies. 

dyoo....

Machief ese zvawo Ari thauzen maZanu. theres no backlash inouya apa. it's just that vese vakuda kudya chete . they know those 3 plus the King vanotopuhwa Mari for the rituals So they just don't want to be left out . the end well hear that the rituals have been blessed by all the chiefs and vakuita vese ... chete. 

Umfoka maBhunu

Go back to Tanganyika yourself you ignoramus. The BaTonga and BaThwa have thrived on this platuea called Zimbabwe long long before so called Shona arrived here.

hoyo

aha that's munhumutapa makurwadziwa maya kana ari fake let him be the spirits will dethrown him 10feet under but all you hate history and our heritage . for you ndebele go to SA to your ppl stop spouting nonsense ED has the ball and is in team zanu if team zanu says so then it is so ✨✨👏🙌✨✨✨ go . go . go 

Musoro Wambuya Vako

chivanhu ndochakatanga before Father Gonzalo De Silveira vauya kuAfrica , so let's respect our tradition and culture, musangot Zanu Pf nepaisina mhosva because those people vakutoziva chivanhu chedu ,,,semaAfricans we have our own culture yakagara iripo makare kare 

Jacob Zuma

Ngavadzoke mande ks kuno ku KZN ma votes angu agowanda kupfuvura ANC panext elexn 🤣

million

ndokusaka matsaona arikuwanda munyika vanhu ivava varikuita chivanhu chavasingaziwe

rebelyus 

This Munhumutapa mother****er must no his place.

you are a liar Fort Tuli was in Matabeland

You don't know what you are talking about. All you have espoused is divisive colonial history, when the colonial administrators Romanticised their false notion of aiding the pliant Shona against a savage Ndebele. No different from the so called Hutu and so called Tutsi, who are essentially one people, but colonist divided them by head size and gave them names titles that have no meaning to their nativity.... just like Shona.....ask yourself what does Shona mean or denote in chi Zezuru, chi Karanga , Manyika or any other dialect that is spoken by the collective so called Shona...........you will find nothing absolutely, as in the same way Hutu and Tutsi find no etymological meaning to their language of what their conquest given tribal names mean. The Tonga don't claim no Ruins, yet they knew of them long before the so called Shona arrival.....go research before zanirised history leaves you ashamed of yourself......ask yourself why Forts were only established in Mashonaland and non in Matebeleland.....The Government of Zimbabwe are just fence sitting black colonialist, it's black empowerment is only gimmickry for the expedience of the so called ruling class and party.....who infact desecrated the very shrine "Njelele" during their moments of madness.....


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These Ndebeles should know that they came here from SA and they found this shrine being there and used by the indigenous peoples who where the Rozvis ,whom they displaced and then took over the shrine by force, they have no Right to this Matopo shrine as it is now a National Monument  and controlled by the Government of Zimbabwe.

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Just let the King perform the rituals since your tenor in these traditional ceremonies did not reap   anything traditionally recognisable, Growing up we knew Njelele as a sacred place, where there were  rainmaking ceremonies were,,, conducted, and the gods would answer in no time, whatever gave it  away, let the King go over it

is obert mpofu not the secretary gen of zanu pf ?


    

Imi Officer in charge, whatever you drink or sniff is illegal 

And you, are your ancestors the San or khoi? If not then please also ship yourself out. Making noise here when your forefathers are also foreigners to this land. 

Officer in charge 

The ndebeles belong to South Africa they've occupied our land for so long LET'S CHASE THEM BACK TO BORDER

we keep on doing funnies to the ndebele people and it is causing us to fail as a nation because we oppress them so much the matebeleland provinces are the highest in terms of unemployment and poverty , this in turn affects our productivity as a nation -- would an ndebele king be allowed to go to mt nyangani or chinoyi caves to do a ritual ? 

akuitwa ne14% yasara yacho ndoo reason why.

bro u the Bible the practiced magic solomon did it . enoch did it why now cause you like to ignore the scriptures you are proud of and read the part which says give money to the pastor saka shut up . that 80% of yours mostly are christians outside thin in their home vodoo practitioner saka 🖕 u

Rigobheti Songhu.

Anonymous you're Zanu. Zanu has never claimed to be Christian . and it is in charge. ukurasika papi. 

I think thers 14% pure traditionalists, 14% pure Christians ndomapostori-a few vavo. then the rest  72% majority munosanganisa zvese kunzungu nekunyimo ...... 

as a nation which claims to be 86% christian why are we doing rituals in the matopo ?

Obert Karombe

ndozvinotii mvuraa isanaya izvii.. Zanu pf kaa uuumm 

the gunz

vakatadza kuita materials zvinhu pazvakatanga kuoma munyika kusvika izvezvi maminerals arikungobiwa, vakauraiwa pagukurahundi Havana kugadzirwa mweya yavo this ZANU pf govt haina kana deal pamasvikiro enyika ino saka nonsense.

mushona hombe

aah into zamatshabi ziyahlupha sure from nowhere munhu akuda kuita zvehudzvanhyiriri.inga govt yaramba kuti kunamambo

Tambaoga

takutanga August maritualist aye atanga.May God protect his people

The ruling ZANU PF party is on a collision course with traditionalists and chiefs in Matabeleland over its plans to conduct rituals at the sacred Matopos shrine.
ZANU PF has given the green light to self-proclaimed King Munhumutapa, born Timothy Chiminya, and three other chiefs to perform rituals at the Matopos and Great Zimbabwe monuments.
In a letter dated July 10, 2024, and addressed to the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, ZANU PF requested permission for King Munhumutapa to conduct these rituals at the two sites.
However, the letter does not specify the reasons behind the party’s need to perform these ceremonies or the timeline for doing so.
The ZIMPARKS director-general, Fulton Mangwanya, subsequently granted the chiefs permission to visit the monuments for the planned rituals.
However, chiefs in Matabeleland who were interviewed by the <a href="https://newsday.co.zw/southerneye/local/article/200030166/outrage-over-matopos-rituals">Southern Eye</a> stated that they were not consulted about this plan, and they considered the proposed rituals to be taboo.
Chief Dakamela expressed that they were not informed about this issue and only learned of it through the media reports. He said:
<blockquote>
I don’t understand whether the Parks have the authority to allow such rituals to take place without consulting the locals.
Such things need a consensus as it can be a source of conflict. So it cannot happen without consulting the chiefs.
</blockquote>
Chief Dakamela also said they do not recognise King Munhumutapa.
Chief Ndolwane also said local traditional leaders ought to have been consulted before permitting King Munhumutapa to visit the shrine. He said:
<blockquote>
And again our cultures are different. So the question to ask is; these rituals, which are going to be done in a place where his culture is different from that of locals, how is he going to conduct them?
Why not consult with us and see if this works or not?
Again there has never been one King for every tribe and culture. We don’t support it.
</blockquote>
Chief Masuku echoed the same frustrations over the lack of consultations, adding that they don’t recognise King Munhumutapa.
Chief Tshitshi said the planned rituals are taboo and a sign of disrespect. He said:
<blockquote>
I have never seen such and we don’t know that one can come and do as they please in one’s area. It’s actually a taboo.
We don’t welcome such because they can’t do the rituals without consulting us, the community, the people…
</blockquote>
Prominent historian Pathisa Nyathi has raised concerns about the planned rituals by self-proclaimed King Munhumutapa at the Matopos shrine, saying the move is problematic given the government’s past denials of the Ndebele people’s efforts to restore their traditional monarchy. Said Nyathi:
<blockquote>
When we tried to install a Ndebele king, we were denied. I’m sure you remember that, the reasons were that we have a republican constitution that has no room for a monarchy.
So if we allow some people to call themselves Mambo what what, it becomes problematic.
</blockquote>
The government has consistently rejected calls by elements within the Ndebele community to revive their traditional monarchy, arguing that such a move would be unconstitutional.
Ironically, the government has allowed the Lozwi clan to install Mike Moyo as the king of the Mambo Dynasty in 2019, as part of an initiative to restore their own kingship.
This discrepancy in the government’s approach has not gone unnoticed. The Minister of Local Government and Public Works recently dismissed Timothy Chiminya, the self-proclaimed “King Munhumutapa,” as an imposter.
Yet, Chiminya maintains that ZANU PF has acknowledged him as the rightful King Munhumutapa by permitting him to perform rituals on behalf of the ruling party.
More: <a href="https://www.pindula.co.zw/">Pindula News</a>

Pindula News

The ruling party ZANU PF wants to do rituals at special places but the local chiefs are mad. They say they were not asked about the plan and they think it's wrong. They don't even believe in the person who wants to do the rituals. This person says the government agrees with him but the government says he's fake. The government let another group have a king, but won't let the Ndebele people have their own king. People are confused about what's fair.

ZANU PF Faces Backlash From Traditionalists Over King Munhumutapa's Matopos Rituals

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